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Re: RotaxMxr
Posted by 'itpro' on 23 Nov 2008 @ 21:29

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No it is NOT 'self evident'!

Start thinking CLEARLY!

Your comment over a missing RADS off the circuity and jumping kerbs is akin to the following:

" Yes, I KNOW that adding 100ccs to the engine is cheating but adding 1cc ISN'T"

In ALL those cases, if you do it KNOWINGLY then you are CHEATING! Yes, adding 100cc to the engine is BLATANTLY CHEATING but it does NOT make adding ONE cc ACCEPTABLE!!

Skipping YARDS out of the circuit does NOT kae skipping FEET L*E*G*A*L!

Use some THOUGHT, man!

You JUMP the kerbs because it makes the lap FASTER!!!!! You also may 'skip' a 'bus stop' for EXACTLY the same REASONS... but BOTH ARE CHEATING!

YES.... you are RIGHT that I take EXTREME positions to illustrate a point! That is s STANDARD debating technique! The 'deal' is that you have to explain WHY the EXTREME is DIFFERENT and thus CANNOT be used! If you can't, then my 'extreme'; has FULLY illustrated the POINT!

In this dicussion, the 'skipping a bus stop' is a PERFECT example! You wouldn't DREAM of doing that as you KNOW that's cheating...... However, you seem to be unable to realise that it ONLY differs from kerb jumping in DEGREE and NOT in PRINCIPLE!!!!

I return to my main point whoich is that YOU (adn the others) fidn kerb jumping 'acceptable' becasue YOU do it and you find bus stop skipping UNacceptable becasue you WOULDN'T do it! It's NOTHING to do with a 'principle', it's about what YOU want to DO!

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I will challange YOU to give me the enswers I an trying to get from Davy!

1a) What do YOU think the white lines MEAN at a circuit
1b) Would YOU cross a white line at a corner?

2) How many wheels over that white line is accptable to YOU, 1,2,3 or 4?

The point is that the RULE about the white line was to STOP this line of discussion, it gave a CLEAR limit to the track. Allowing 'skipping' brings ALL those 'grey areas' BACK again!

Ian

Message Thread:

Spot on Itpro. by 'raceinstructor' (22 Nov 2008 @ 8:09)

This isn't new. by 'DavyBoy' (22 Nov 2008 @ 8:48)

not every circuit by 'andrewf' (22 Nov 2008 @ 9:46)

Re: not every circuit by 'SimonS' (22 Nov 2008 @ 21:46)

Re: not every circuit by 'andrewf' (23 Nov 2008 @ 9:12)

Re: seriously can't see what the fuss... by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (22 Nov 2008 @ 22:27)

Re: seriously can't see what the fuss... by 'QuickOldTimer' (22 Nov 2008 @ 23:06)

Re: seriously can't see what the fuss... by 'DanTheK1RaceGearMan' (23 Nov 2008 @ 0:08)

Re: seriously can't see what the fuss... by 'rotaxmxr' (23 Nov 2008 @ 0:16)

Re: seriously can't see what the fuss... by 'raceinstructor' (23 Nov 2008 @ 9:18)

Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 18:06)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'DavyBoy' (23 Nov 2008 @ 18:23)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 19:07)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'rotaxmxr' (23 Nov 2008 @ 19:51)

Tripe by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:00)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'DavyBoy' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:03)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:27)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'DavyBoy' (24 Nov 2008 @ 10:19)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 10:53)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'DavyBoy' (24 Nov 2008 @ 11:51)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:00)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'DavyBoy' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:18)

Re: Old timers have seen what HAPPENS if you.... by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:15)

So this is the rule that can't be relaxed! by 'SteveC' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:38)

Re: So this is the rule that can't be relaxed! by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 14:04)

And...... by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 14:13)

4 ie whole of the kart! by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 8:13)

Ahhhh haaa! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 10:30)

I don't know if I agree or disagree with....... by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:20)

Re: I don't know if I agree or disagree with...... by 'QuickOldTimer' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:34)

I'd have to hypothetically see the drivers by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:39)

Re: I'd have to hypothetically see the drivers by 'QuickOldTimer' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:52)

Re: I'd have to hypothetically see the drivers by 'DanXP1' (25 Nov 2008 @ 12:50)

You can't have a rule that covers all....... by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 13:44)

Re: You can't have a rule that covers all....... by 'DanXP1' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:01)

Luckily every CoC in the Country is using........ by 'SteveC' (26 Nov 2008 @ 9:39)

That's TRIPE Steve! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:08)

Re: That's TRIPE Steve! by 'DanXP1' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:25)

Historic, exactly! by 'SteveC' (26 Nov 2008 @ 9:43)

I knew you'd missed the point! by 'SteveC' (26 Nov 2008 @ 9:35)

Re: I knew you'd missed the point! by 'itpro' (26 Nov 2008 @ 16:42)

Not same size, but same shape! by 'SteveC' (27 Nov 2008 @ 10:57)

Wrong........... yet AGAIN, Steve! by 'itpro' (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:12)

Play on words Ian! by 'SteveC' (28 Nov 2008 @ 12:33)

I would be enforcing them as per MSA regs! by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 13:40)

Re: seriously can't see what the fuss... by 'SimonS' (23 Nov 2008 @ 9:29)

When has the 'rule' ever been enforced by 'DavyBoy' (23 Nov 2008 @ 11:48)

Re: When has the 'rule' ever been enforced by 'RobWallace' (23 Nov 2008 @ 13:35)

Lucky it's only a disc protector. by 'RoadRat' (23 Nov 2008 @ 13:46)

HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 18:02)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'DavyBoy' (23 Nov 2008 @ 18:32)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:02)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'DavyBoy' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:04)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:09)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'alanrr' (24 Nov 2008 @ 11:07)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 11:20)

Tony hasn't CoC'd at Kim for over..... by 'SteveC' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:46)

Re: Tony hasn't CoC'd at Kim for over..... by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:45)

I don't need to re write it,........ by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 8:17)

Re: HUNDREDS of time..... by GOOD cocs by 'rotaxmxr' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:01)

Your inconsistencies are STUNNING! by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:06)

You saying Tony Temple........ by 'SteveC' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:41)

ps As Junior British Team Manager Tony..... by 'SteveC' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:42)

Re: ps As Junior British Team Manager Tony..... by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:52)

Rules with discretion are because no two....... by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 8:23)

RotaxMxr by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 17:58)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'RoadRat' (23 Nov 2008 @ 18:25)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:13)

Of course 'Pierre' would get away with it!! by 'RoadRat' (23 Nov 2008 @ 22:47)

Re: Of course 'Pierre' would get away with it!! by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 2:04)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'rotaxmxr' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:07)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'itpro' (23 Nov 2008 @ 20:18)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'rotaxmxr' (23 Nov 2008 @ 21:14)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'itpro' << You are here!

Re: RotaxMxr by 'davidmc' (24 Nov 2008 @ 9:36)

DavidMc by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 11:01)

Re: DavidMc by 'davidmc' (24 Nov 2008 @ 12:15)

Re: DavidMc by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:30)

Re: RotaxMxr by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 2:17)

itpro by 'NJB' (24 Nov 2008 @ 8:39)

Re: itpro by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 11:09)

Re: itpro by 'NJB' (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:39)

Re: itpro by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 13:57)

Re: itpro by 'NJB' (24 Nov 2008 @ 14:27)

Re: itpro by 'Florent' (24 Nov 2008 @ 14:51)

How unusual! by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 17:01)

Re: How unusual! by 'Florent' (24 Nov 2008 @ 17:13)

Re: How unusual! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 10:52)

You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:25)

Re: You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'Florent' (25 Nov 2008 @ 12:11)

Re: You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 13:25)

Behave Ian, Florent is a great guy! by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 13:52)

Re: You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'Florent' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:15)

Re: You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:23)

Re: You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'Florent' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:28)

Re: You forgot Number 9 Florent! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 15:32)

cont.. by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 15:34)

Ian is actually neither laughable nor sad,...... by 'SteveC' (25 Nov 2008 @ 13:50)

Re: Ian is actually neither laughable nor sad,.... by 'Florent' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:19)

Re: Ian is actually neither laughable nor sad,.... by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:25)

Re: Ian is actually neither laughable nor sad,.... by 'Florent' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:32)

Re: Ian is actually neither laughable nor sad,.... by 'Florent' (25 Nov 2008 @ 14:37)

English culture lessons for free! by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 15:16)

Re: Is..... by 'Aztech' (25 Nov 2008 @ 22:30)

It's exciting, it's waht it must have been like... by 'SteveC' (26 Nov 2008 @ 9:57)

Re: Thats quite funy Steve... by 'Aztech' (26 Nov 2008 @ 10:03)

I could do it in a Jonathan Woss accent, but...... by 'SteveC' (26 Nov 2008 @ 10:47)

Re: itpro by 'itpro' (24 Nov 2008 @ 16:54)

Re: itpro by 'NJB' (24 Nov 2008 @ 17:26)

Re: lol by 'MattBell' (24 Nov 2008 @ 18:42)

Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'DanXP1' (24 Nov 2008 @ 19:36)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'broke' (24 Nov 2008 @ 19:57)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'MattBell' (24 Nov 2008 @ 20:10)

Matt by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 10:21)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'RoadRat' (24 Nov 2008 @ 20:41)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'DanXP1' (24 Nov 2008 @ 20:55)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'MattBell' (24 Nov 2008 @ 21:42)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'DanXP1' (24 Nov 2008 @ 22:38)

Some answers to this. by 'DavyBoy' (25 Nov 2008 @ 9:20)

Re: Kerbing only ok cos drivers get a way with it by 'adey8ball' (25 Nov 2008 @ 9:59)

re the Clay chicane by 'QuickOldTimer' (25 Nov 2008 @ 10:32)

Matt by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 10:35)

Dan, Dave, RceInstr, etc.. by 'itpro' (25 Nov 2008 @ 10:46)

Re: itpro by 'MattBell' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:01)

Re: Mat by 'QuickOldTimer' (25 Nov 2008 @ 11:13)

Matt + Re: Dan, Dave, RceInstr, etc.. by 'DanXP1' (25 Nov 2008 @ 13:14)

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