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Re: Come on then QOT(Dave).... YOU tell me...
Posted by 'SimonS' on 15 Nov 2009 @ 13:55

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"Perhaps some more formal & permanent means for karters to let the MSA know their views, and perhaps some referenda on some of those views would a good step."

The MSA have been stung in the past by groups with a private agenda who have presented them with a safety case that 'absolutely' demands an instant decision.

Often that instant decision turns out to be wrong. One might take the case of the Junior Blue new restrictors as an example where both the agenda, the safety case and, possibly, the decision taken were wrong.

In the case of the Zip Cadet nosecone it appears that all the evidence is anecdotal, where drivers / parents attribute the accident to the shape, without any hard evidence to prove it. (No, you dont have to kill a cadet to prove it. Merely show that the tendency to lift over that shape is greater than the same shape with a flat on it and that the speed required to get significant lift is unacceptably low. I might try pulling a ballasted kart towards target nosecones for example and measuring the speed necessary to get the kart to ride up. And get the test done / observed by people who don't have a vested interest in a certain result)

The MSA represents a point of authority with a wider background than just karting, and getting rid of them leaves the sport open to people with a particular interest. So no, I don't think you can trust a trader, or a trade association to give you a 'clean' decision.

Nor do I think you can trust individuals to make very good decisions about their karts either. We know that people are obsessed with apparent speed and demand that conditions are altered to suit their latest dangerous practices. (So we have people demanding lower and safer kerbs because / so they can drive over them, and where it's faster drivers will flagrantly drive off track. I watched a saloon car race the other day where even the commentators were surprised at the distance cars were driving into tarmacced safety areas, but concluded nothing would be done because it would mean excluding half the grid).

The problem I see with the Aixro is not that it is currently unsafe as raced by the limited numbers who use it but because it has the potential to be dangerous unless modifications were made to too many tracks.

Imagine 'testing' at say Dunks, where the possible speed might be in excess of 100 mph as achieved by the gearbox classes now. Now throw in the frequency of equipment failure accidents experienced by the larger numbers of 100cc karts. How much extra run-off would you need at many tracks to avoid death or serious injury at the higher speeds and accelerations possible?

How much extra would clubs have to charge to afford that kind of modification and would you still be karting then. (Someone was complaining recently that the All Day Practice fee was already too high!)

They might not be the best one can think of, but I reckon the MSA is better than some of the alternatives who might try to take over the reins.

Message Thread:

Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'BanzaiBoy' (13 Nov 2009 @ 18:37)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'RAF5' (13 Nov 2009 @ 18:56)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'TheMantis' (13 Nov 2009 @ 19:19)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'RAF5' (13 Nov 2009 @ 19:58)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'dave56' (13 Nov 2009 @ 19:23)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'kai' (14 Nov 2009 @ 1:00)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'Bod' (14 Nov 2009 @ 1:12)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'Josh77' (14 Nov 2009 @ 2:35)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'jag555' (14 Nov 2009 @ 6:40)

Re: Who's Getting bored of MSA Racing by 'Aquila' (14 Nov 2009 @ 7:08)

Not bored - fed up. by 'RoadRat' (14 Nov 2009 @ 9:41)

Re: Not bored - fed up. by 'paul40' (14 Nov 2009 @ 9:57)

MSA and its licence holders by 'DavyBoy' (14 Nov 2009 @ 10:08)

Re: MSA and its licence holders by 'harvinsurrey' (15 Nov 2009 @ 22:13)

If I had t*ts I'd be a woman. by 'Bod' (14 Nov 2009 @ 11:27)

Re: If I had t*ts I'd be a woman. by 'Aquila' (14 Nov 2009 @ 11:37)

Re: If I had t*ts I'd be a woman. by 'RoadRat' (14 Nov 2009 @ 11:48)

Bits falling off karts by 'DavyBoy' (14 Nov 2009 @ 12:04)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'LateBraker' (14 Nov 2009 @ 12:29)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'RoadRunner' (14 Nov 2009 @ 12:42)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'michaelg36' (14 Nov 2009 @ 19:03)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'QuickOldTimer' (14 Nov 2009 @ 19:47)

Come on then QOT(Dave).... YOU tell me... by 'alanrr' (14 Nov 2009 @ 22:58)

Re: Come on then QOT(Dave).... YOU tell me... by 'iant' (15 Nov 2009 @ 0:01)

Re: Come on then QOT(Dave).... YOU tell me... by 'QuickOldTimer' (15 Nov 2009 @ 12:25)

Re: Come on then QOT(Dave).... YOU tell me... by 'SimonS' << You are here!

Re: Come on then QOT(Dave).... YOU tell me... by 'DavyBoy' (15 Nov 2009 @ 18:46)

So, that's official then, ALL of you are.... by 'alanrr' (15 Nov 2009 @ 22:01)

Re: So, that's official then, ALL of you are.... by 'DavyBoy' (16 Nov 2009 @ 8:59)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'Iwan' (16 Nov 2009 @ 8:34)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'Cadet49Dad' (14 Nov 2009 @ 12:48)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'rich84' (14 Nov 2009 @ 23:57)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'paul40' (15 Nov 2009 @ 7:56)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'Smellthecoffee2' (15 Nov 2009 @ 11:21)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'jmg' (15 Nov 2009 @ 13:32)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'John' (15 Nov 2009 @ 13:36)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'RoadRat' (15 Nov 2009 @ 14:18)

RoadRat by 'Aquila' (15 Nov 2009 @ 15:09)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'paul40' (15 Nov 2009 @ 16:13)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'Aquila' (15 Nov 2009 @ 16:23)

Re: Bits falling off karts by 'John' (15 Nov 2009 @ 20:56)

Rich84, you say the other bits have a purpose... by 'alanrr' (15 Nov 2009 @ 21:38)

Re: Rich84, you say the other bits have a purpose. by 'rich84' (15 Nov 2009 @ 22:26)

Re: Rich84, you say the other bits have a purpose. by 'speedyman' (16 Nov 2009 @ 8:06)

Re: Rich84, you say the other bits have a purpose. by 'DavyBoy' (16 Nov 2009 @ 9:42)

Re: Rich84, you say the other bits have a purpose. by 'pccsystems' (16 Nov 2009 @ 9:57)

Re: Rich84, I ALWAYS THINK before I post.... by 'alanrr' (16 Nov 2009 @ 10:57)

Sounds like a job for MYTHBUSTERS! (nt) by 'pj44' (16 Nov 2009 @ 11:35)

Re: ALANR by 'rich84' (16 Nov 2009 @ 17:01)

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