bad parents
couple of your posts on the "tt" ended with "the poor children"
it is the only point on the debate i questioned vics debate
BUT the tt is an instant cause and effect, if you are lucky you enjoy your children for 16 years, if unlucky it gets to 30+
so what affects can affect your offspring over that period of time, bad diet and you end up a fat git who who cant play with them and they end watching you die a slow death, same goes for smokers and drinkers.....if you are unlucky any karter or risk taker which using your standards would include joining the army, police, fire service etc, i think you know it was a bad post and there is no defense.........so in your eyes what job should a parent do
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